Deep Ancestry: Genealogy and DNA
By Peter Biggins
Deep Ancestry: Genealogy and DNABy Peter Biggins |
Updated February 4, 2025 | |
James Berles, Cathi Biggins, Sean Biggins, Roger Byrne, Michael Patrick Carroll, Maureen Lyons Carroll, Paul Drueke, Michael McDonnel, Sheila Carroll Krippner, Marc Matthews, Maureen O'Brien, Leo O'Brien, and N. J. Sharkey contributed to this story.
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Genetic genealogy can tell us about the deep ancestry of our ancestors and, in some case, which tribe or sept our ancestors came from. This story addresses the deep ancestry of Peter and Marilyn Carroll Biggins through the use of Y-chromosome DNA, tested by Family Tree DNA. Y-DNA is passed down from father to son, much like surnames. By testing a living male, we can learn about the deep ancestry of his paternal line. Testing can also help determine how closely two people are related. |
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IJK-L15 45000 BC Southern Iran 587,000 T |
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I-M223 14000 BC Southern Germany 20,900 T Cruithne I-L1195 4150 BC Ulster 3,600 T Dál nAraidi I-FTT7 350 AD Ulster 67 T Y63570 1000 AD Ulster 14 T BY75184 1350 AD Ulster 3 T |
K-M9 43000 BC Western Pakistan 397,000 T P-P226 30000 BC Eastern Mongolia 355,000 T R-M173 20000 BC Eastern Kazakhstan 342,000 T |
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M420 15000 BC Southern Russia 56,100 T "Viking" FGC11896 1150 AD Scotland 218 T Angus Og and Clan Donald |
M343 17000 BC Uzbekistan 286,000 T M269 4450 BC Southern Russia 282,000 T L151 3050 BC Ukraine 263,000 T |
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| P312 2850 BC Southern Germany 163,000 T "Proto-Celtic" | U106 3000 BC Western Poland 70,800 T "Saxon" |
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| L21 2650 BC Southern England 89,200 T "Celtic" | DF27 2650 BC Pyrenees 35,700 T "Celtic" |
U152 2600 BC Italy 29,800 T |
Z18 2250 BC Scandi- navia 8,000 T | Z381 2700 BC Northern Germany 52,300 T |
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| DF21 2350 BC England 9,500 T |
CTS4466 250 BC Munster 4,100 T S1121 200 AD 1,700 T Eoganacht |
Z253 2400 BC England 11,700 T |
DF41 1850 BC England 2,200 T |
Z2961 2000 BC England 17,100 T |
Z195 2650 BC Pyrenees 21,500 T M153 650 BC 338 T Basque |
ZZ19 2450 BC Pyrenees 3,900 T |
DF98 2000 BC 2,400 T L1271 1300 AD 6 T House of Wettin |
Z301 2550 BC 36,700 T |
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| Z3008 450 AD England 800 T Colla Uais Ulster Carthend S953 500 AD Tirkeeran 283 T |
Z16291 100 AD Munster 294 T Ely Carroll BY20010 1200 AD 12 T Charles Carroll of Carrollton |
L226 150 AD Munster 1,900 T DC782 850 AD 112 T Brian Boru |
FTT74
1 BC England 317 T | A600 1500 BC 26 T England |
L745 1150 AD 360 T Scotland House of Stuart Charles II ordered Kings Highway |
M222 100 BC 15,800 T Ulster S588 250 AD 2,300 T FGC57780 600 AD 73 T Cenél Moain |
FGC6550 600 AD 93 T Ulster Hy Maine |
Y5058 100 AD 510 T Breassal Breac Y5061 500 AD Leinster 334 T |
Z2571 2350 BC 1,050 T |
U198 1750 BC 5,400 T |
L48 2450 BC 32,900 T CTS10893 900 BC 2,300 T |
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| FTA14037 1750 AD Down 2 T |
BY3164 1350 AD Ulster 7 T |
Y5610 1050 AD Munster 83 T |
FTC- 82590 300 AD England 3 T |
BY23501 800 AD England 3 T |
BY18200 1650 AD Ulster 2 T |
FT79210 1150 AD Leinster 8 T |
BY142791 1700 AD Cavan 2 T |
BY3323 450 BC Old Saxony 10 T |
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| Patrick H. Byrne
1835 AD Down |
Patrick Beggan 1807 AD Drumgill, Cavan |
Michael O'Brien 1815 AD Brough, Cork |
Adam Berles 1794 AD Landen- beck, West- phalia |
Wlliam Mathews 1644 AD Wales |
Daniel McDonald 1813 Ireland |
Edmond Carroll 1835 AD Bally- neety, Limerick |
Galligan | Johann Drücke (Börger) 1743 AD Elspe, West- phalia |
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| Roger Byrne kit 208416 |
Peter Biggins kit 127469 |
Leo O'Brien kit 197598 |
James Berles kit 1019704 |
Marc Matthews kit 116493 |
Michael McDonnel kit 252843 |
Michael Carroll kit 198624 |
Paul Drueke kit 230496 |
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The year shown is a rough estimate by Family Tree DNA of the year the SNP was born. "T" is the number of testers at Family Tree DNA. |
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Portions of this tree are attributable to Myths, Legends and DNA, an attempt to reconcile the current archeological evidence and genealogical DNA evidence with Ireland's mythical origins, by N. J. Sharkey, 2023 revised.
| Paternal Ancestor Birth Year, Place |
Male Tested Relationship |
Kit # Test |
Haplogroup SNPs |
FTDNA Projects | Comments |
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| Patrick Beggan/Biggins 1807, Drumgill, County Cavan, Ireland |
Peter Biggins | 127469 Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, DF21, S971, F24434, Z3000, Z3006, Z3008, S953, ZZ13, FT14481, BY3164 (1350 AD). See Biggins Deep Ancestry |
Biggins, Clan Colla, DF21, Null 425 |
Sean's and Peter's ancestors had farms across the road from each other in Will County, Illinois, southwest of Chicago. The name Biggins comes from beag, the Irish for little. BY3164 Biggins DNA includes people named Beggan, Beaghen, Bigham, and Little. See Biggins/Beggan Irish Roots. Sean's DNA matches Peter's, but it is not so close as to suggest that their ancestors were brothers or first cousins. Sean shares a SNP named FT17167 with Eric Began whose ancestor Michael Beggan was born in County Fermanagh in 1781. Peter does not have this SNP. Z3008 is the DNA of The Three Collas, brothers who lived in 4th century Ulster. BY3164 descends from brother Colla Uais and his grandson Carthend. Carthend lived in County Derry in the 5th century on the Faughan River in an area that was later called a barony and named Tirkeeran. The name Tirkeeran comes from the Irish Tír Mhic Caoirthinn, which means land of Carthend. See: Z3000 The Three Collas and Faughan River |
| James Biggins 1822, County Monaghan, Ireland |
Sean Biggins, whose ancestor lived across the road from Peter's ancestor Patrick in Illinois | 146867 Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, DF21, S971, F24434, Z3000, Z3006, Z3008, S953, ZZ13, FT14481, BY3164 (1350 AD), FT17167 (1400 AD) | Biggins, Clan Colla, DF21, Null 425 |
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| Johann Drüecke (Börger) 1743, Elspe, Westphalia, Germany |
Paul Charles Drueke, first cousin of Peter | 230496 Big Y-700 |
R-L151, U106, Z301, L48, Z9, Z30, Z27 Z345, Z2, Z7, CTS10893, A6389, BY3323 (450 BC) |
Drueke, U106, Germany, Anglo-Saxon |
Paul has few DNA matches and none later then 400 BC. He matches men from England (Arnold, Bennett, Ozment, Phipps, Scott, Self, Wooten, Wright), Wales (Ellis, Price), Scotland (Armstrong, Reed, Russell), and Ireland (Moore). Many people with English names have Germanic origins. The term Anglo-Saxon is used by some historians to designate the Germanic tribes who invaded and settled the south and east of Britain from the early 5th century up to the Norman conquest in 1066. Our ancestor is from the far southern part of Old Saxony. See BY3323 Saxon |
| Adam Berles 1794, Landenbeck, Westphalia, Germany |
James Berles, third cousin of Peter, once removed | 1019704 Big Y-700 | R-L151, P312, L21, Z253, FGC3268, FTC82590 (300 AD) | MGS | Landenbeck is 16 miles northeast of Elspe, where Johann Drüecke is from, inWestphalia, Germany, which was part of Old Saxony. James' closest matches are people whose ancestors are from Scotland and Ireland. At some time between the 3rd and 18th centuries, his ancestors migrated from England to Germany. |
| William Mathews 1644, Wales |
Marc Thomas Matthews, second cousin of Peter | 116493 Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, DF41, S775, A600, BY23501 (800 AD) |
Matthews, L21, DF41/CTS2501 |
Marc and Peter are great grandchildren of William Peter and Elizabeth Berles Drueke. From S775 are also descended the Royal Stuarts of Scotland and England |
| Edmond Carroll 1835, Ballyneety, Limerick, Ireland |
Michael Patrick Carroll, second cousin of Marilyn, once removed | 198624 Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, DF27, Y5058/A641, Y5061, FT44660, BY61861, FT79210 (1150 AD) |
Carroll, Breassal Breac, DF27, McCarville | Michael's DNA matches Ryan, O'Dwyer, Lee/Leary, Gorman, and Kennedy, as well as Carroll. These families descend from Breassal Breac who lived in Leinster around 200 or 100 BC. They settled in the 13th or 14th century in County Tipperary and County Limerick. DF27 DNA is the Gascon & Iberian branch of R-P312. See Y5058 Breassal Breac. |
| Daniel McDonald 1813, Ireland |
Michael McDonnel, third cousin of Marilyn, once removed | 252843 Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, M222, S658, DF104, DF105, S588, S603, FGC57780, FGC23592, FT120288, BY216377 (1150 AD). | Gormley, Cenel Eoghain, Clan Donald (&LSP8J), M222 | Michael's BY216377 DNA is associated with a group called Cenel Moain (FGC57780), a subset of Cenel Eoghain (S588), a subset of Northwest Irish (M222). Northwest Irish was originally identified in a Trinity College Study and said to be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, who lived in Ireland in the 4th/5th century. See: FGC57780 Cenel Moain |
| Thomas Foy 1800, Derreennascooba, Mayo, Ireland |
None. Looking for a distant Foy cousin of Peter | Foy, Fay, Hunt | There may be a possible tester among descendants, but none has been identified yet. See Foy/Fee Irish Roots. | ||
| John Francis Flannery 1788, Derreenmanus, Mayo Ireland |
None. Looking for a distant Flannery cousin of Marilyn | Most likely R-L151, P312, L21, M222 | Flannery | There may be a possible tester among descendants in Green County, Wisconsin, but none has been identified yet. Clan Flannery sponsors a Flannery DNA project at Family Tree DNA. Of the Flannerys from County Mayo who had tested their Y-chromosome DNA as of June 2012, all match up with a group called Northwest Irish. Northwest Irish was originally identified in a Trinity College Study. Two of these Northwest Irish have ancestors from the townland of Sarnaught in the civil parish of Aglish, which is nearby Derreenmanus: kits 36430 and 221086. | |
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| Patrick H. Byrne 1835, Ireland |
Roger Byrne (1962-2021), husband of daughter Carroll | 208416 Big Y-700 |
I-M223, P222, CTS616, FGC15071, M284, L1195, L126, FGC20063, FT2393, S7753, Y4142, Y4751, FTT7, BY3610, Y63570, BY75184, BY93599, FTA14037 (1750 AD) |
Byrne, M223, Null 425 |
Roger shares FTA14037, born around 1750 AD, with a Donald Austin Byrne (1934-2017), kit 338826, whose oldest known Byrne ancestor is Austin Thomas Byrne (1859, Dublin), born in Dublin. He also matches closely with three testers named McGivern, which is associated with Rostrevor, County Down. Byrne may be a form of McGivern. I-M223 was born in 14000 BC in Southern Germany. I-L1195 was one of the first inhabitants of Ireland, around 4150 BC in Ulster. His people became known as the Dál nAraidi. They may be the Darini who appear on Ptolemy's map of Ireland. |
| Michael O'Brien 1815, Brough, County Cork, Ireland |
Leo O'Brien, uncle-in-law of son Edward | 197598 Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, Z253, L226, FGC5660, Z17669, ZZ31, FGC5628, FGC5623, FGC5659, ZZ34, DC782, Y5610 (1050 AD) | O'Brien, L226 |
Leo shares Y5610 (1050 AD) with Conor Myles John O'Brien of Dromoland Castle who traces his ancestry back to Brian Boru. Brian Boru was born circa 940 in what is now County Clare and died in the Battle of Clontarf, north of Dublin, on April 23, 1014. See Irish Type III DNA. L226 DNA type also is called Dalcassian and Irish Type III. See DC782 Brian Boru DNA |
Hopefully, we will learn more about our deep ancestry through testing of more family members.