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Genetic genealogy can tell us about the deep ancestry of our ancestors and, in some case, which tribe or sept our ancestors came from. This story addresses the deep ancestry of Peter and Marilyn Carroll Biggins through the use of Y-chromosome DNA, tested by Family Tree DNA. Y-DNA is passed down from father to son, much like surnames. By testing a living male, we can learn about the deep ancestry of his paternal line. Testing can also help determine how closely two people are related.
Abbreviated Y-DNA SNP Tree
IJK-L15 45000 BC Southern Iran 587,000 T
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IJ-P124
40000 BC
South-eastern Iraq
190,300 T
I-M223
14000 BC
Southern Germany
20,900 T
I-FTT7
350 AD
Ulster
67 T
Dal Riata
Y63570
1000 AD
Ulster
14 T
BY75184
1350 AD
Ulster
3 T |
K-M9 43000 BC Western Pakistan 397,000 T
P-P226 30000 BC Eastern Mongolia 355,000 T
R-M173 20000 BC Eastern Kazakhstan 342,000 T
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M420
15000 BC
Southern Russia
56,100 T
"Viking"
FGC11896
1150 AD
Scotland
218 T
Angus Og, grafted onto Colla Uais tree |
M343 17000 BC Uzbekistan 286,000 T
M269 4450 BC Southern Russia 282,000 T
L151 3050 BC Ukraine 263,000 T
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| P312 2850 BC Southern Germany 163,000 T "Proto-Celtic" |
U106 3000 BC Western Poland
70,800 T "Saxon" |
| L21 2650 BC Southern England 89,200 T "Celtic" |
DF27 2650 BC Pyrenees
35,700 T "Celtic" |
U152
2600 BC
Italy
29,800 T |
Z18
2250 BC
Scandi-
navia
8,000 T
| Z381 2700 BC
Northern Germany
52,300 T |
DF21 2350 BC
England 9,500 T |
CTS4466
250 BC
Munster
4,100 T
S1121
200 AD
1,700 T
Eoganacht |
Z253
2400 BC
England
11,700 T |
DF41 1850 BC
England 2,200 T |
Z2961 2000 BC
England 17,100 T |
Z195
2650 BC
Pyrenees
21,500 T
M153
650 BC
338 T
Basque |
Z31644 2350 BC
Pyrenees 2,600 T |
DF98
2000 BC
2,400 T
L1271
1300 AD
6 T
House of Wettin |
Z301 2550 BC
36,700 T |
Z3008
450 AD
England
800 T
Colla Uais
Ulster
Carthend
S953
500 AD
Tirkeeran
283 T |
Z16291
100 AD
Munster
294 T
Ely Carroll
BY20010
1200 AD
12 T
Charles Carroll of Carrollton |
L226
150 AD
Munster
1,900 T
DC782
850 AD
112 T
Brian Boru |
FTT74
1 BC
England
317 T | A600
1500 BC
26 T
England |
L745
1150 AD
360 T
Scotland
House of Stuart
Charles II ordered Kings Highway |
M222
100 BC
15,800 T
Ulster
S588
250 AD
2,300 T
FGC57780
600 AD
73 T
Cenél Moain |
FGC6550
600 AD
93 T
Ulster
Hy Maine |
Y5058
100 AD
510 T
Breassal Breac
Y5061
500 AD
Leinster
334 T |
PH2047
2100 BC
Ulster
223 T
Z1513
1000 AD
Ulster
214 T |
U198
1750 BC
5,400 T |
L48
2450 BC
32,900 T
CTS10893
900 BC
2,300 T |
BY93599
1650 AD
Ulster
2 T |
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BY3164
1350 AD
Ulster
7 T |
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Y5610
1050 AD
Munster
83 T |
FTC-
82590 300 AD
England
3 T |
BY23501
800 AD
England
3 T |
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BY18200
1650 AD
Ulster
2 T |
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FT79210
1150 AD
Leinster
8 T |
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BY3323
450 BC
Old Saxony
10 T |
Patrick H. Byrne
1835 AD
Ireland |
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Patrick Beggan
1807 AD
Drumgill, Cavan |
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Michael O'Brien
1815 AD
Brough, Cork |
Adam Berles
1794 AD
Landen-
beck, West-
phalia |
Wlliam Mathews
1644 AD
Wales |
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Daniel McDonald
1813
Ireland |
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Edmond Carroll
1835 AD
Bally-
neety, Limerick |
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Johann Drücke (Börger)
1743 AD
Elspe, West-
phalia |
Roger Byrne
kit 208416 |
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Peter Biggins
kit 127469 |
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Leo
O'Brien
kit 197598 |
James
Berles
kit 1019704 |
Marc Matthews
kit 116493 |
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Michael McDonnel
kit 252843 |
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Michael Carroll
kit 198624 |
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Paul Drueke
kit 230496 |
The year shown is a rough estimate by Family Tree DNA of the year the SNP was born. "T" is the number of testers at Family Tree DNA.
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Definitions
- DNA. Deoxyribonucleic acid, a chemical consisting of a sequence of hundreds of millions of nucleotides found in the nuclei of cells. It contains the genetic information about an individual and is shaped like a double-stranded helix.
- SNP. A Single Nucleotide Polymorphism, a mutation in the DNA that happens when a single nucleotide (A, T, G, or C) in the genome sequence is altered. A person has many SNPs that together create a unique DNA pattern for that individual. Family Tree DNA offers Big Y, which tests a large portion of the Y chromosome and identifies SNPs that have occurred down to the present time. SNPs occur randomly. The number of SNPs can vary a lot by tester. On average over a large population for a long time period, Big Y SNPs occur every 120 years.
- Haplogroup. A group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor having the same SNP mutation Haplogroups are assigned letters of the alphabet, and refi nements consist of additional number and letter combinations.
Myths, Legends and DNA
Portions of this tree are attributable to Myths, Legends and DNA, an attempt to reconcile the current archeological evidence and genealogical DNA evidence with Ireland's mythical origins, by N. J. Sharkey, 2023 revised.
Y-DNA Testing Results for PetersPioneers
Paternal Ancestor
Birth Year, Place |
Male Tested
Relationship |
Kit #
Test |
Haplogroup
SNPs |
FTDNA Projects |
Comments |
Patrick Beggan/Biggins
1807, Drumgill, County Cavan, Ireland |
Peter Biggins |
127469
Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, DF21, S971, F24434, Z3000, Z3006, Z3008, S953, ZZ13, FT14481, BY3164 (1350 AD). See Biggins Deep Ancestry |
Biggins,
Clan Colla,
DF21,
Null 425 |
Sean's and Peter's ancestors had farms across the road from each other in Will County, Illinois, southwest of Chicago.
The name Biggins comes from beag, the Irish for little. BY3164 Biggins DNA includes people named Beggan, Beaghen, Bigham, and Little. See Biggins/Beggan Irish Roots.
Sean's DNA matches Peter's, but it is not so close as to suggest that their ancestors were brothers or first cousins. Sean shares a SNP named FT17167 with Eric Began whose ancestor Michael Beggan was born in County Fermanagh in 1781. Peter does not have this SNP.
Z3008 is the DNA of The Three Collas, brothers who lived in 4th century Ulster. BY3164 descends from brother Colla Uais and his grandson Carthend. Carthend lived in County Derry in the 5th century on the Faughan River in an area that was later called a barony and named Tirkeeran. The name Tirkeeran comes from the Irish Tír Mhic Caoirthinn, which means land of Carthend. See: Z3000 The Three Collas and Faughan River
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James Biggins
1822, County Monaghan, Ireland |
Sean Biggins, whose ancestor lived across the road from Peter's ancestor Patrick in Illinois |
146867
Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, DF21, S971, F24434, Z3000, Z3006, Z3008, S953, ZZ13, FT14481, BY3164 (1350 AD), FT17167 (1400 AD) |
Biggins,
Clan Colla,
DF21,
Null 425 |
Johann Drüecke (Börger)
1743, Elspe, Westphalia, Germany |
Paul Charles Drueke, first cousin of Peter |
230496
Big Y-700 |
R-L151, U106, Z301, L48, Z9, Z30, Z27 Z345, Z2, Z7, CTS10893, A6389, BY3323 (450 BC) |
Drueke,
U106,
Germany,
Anglo-Saxon |
Paul has few DNA matches and none later then 400 BC. He matches men from England (Arnold, Bennett, Ozment, Phipps, Scott, Self, Wooten, Wright), Wales (Ellis, Price), Scotland (Armstrong, Reed, Russell), and Ireland (Moore). Many people with English names have Germanic origins. The term Anglo-Saxon is used by some historians to designate the Germanic tribes who invaded and settled the south and east of Britain from the early 5th century up to the Norman conquest in 1066. Our ancestor is from the far southern part of Old Saxony. See BY3323 Saxon |
Adam Berles
1794, Landenbeck, Westphalia, Germany |
James Berles, third cousin of Peter, once removed |
1019704 Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, Z253, FGC3268, FTC82590 (300 AD) |
MGS |
Landenbeck is 16 miles northeast of Elspe, where Johann Drüecke is from, inWestphalia, Germany, which was part of Old Saxony. James' closest matches are people whose ancestors are from Scotland and Ireland. At some time between the 3rd and 18th centuries, his ancestors migrated from England to Germany. |
William Mathews
1644, Wales |
Marc Thomas Matthews, second cousin of Peter |
116493
Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, DF41, S775, A600, BY23501 (800 AD) |
Matthews,
L21,
DF41/CTS2501 |
Marc and Peter are great grandchildren of William Peter and Elizabeth Berles Drueke.
From S775 are also descended the Royal Stuarts of Scotland and England |
Edmond Carroll
1835, Ballyneety, Limerick, Ireland |
Michael Patrick Carroll, second cousin of Marilyn, once removed |
198624
Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, DF27, Y5058/A641, Y5061, FT44660, BY61861, FT79210 (1150 AD) |
Carroll,
Breassal Breac,
DF27,
McCarville
| Michael's DNA matches Ryan, O'Dwyer, Lee/Leary, Gorman, and Kennedy, as well as Carroll. These families descend from Breassal Breac who lived in Leinster around 200 or 100 BC. They settled in the 13th or 14th century in County Tipperary and County Limerick. DF27 DNA is the Gascon & Iberian branch of R-P312. See Y5058 Breassal Breac. |
Daniel McDonald
1813, Ireland |
Michael McDonnel, third cousin of Marilyn, once removed |
252843
Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, M222, S658, DF104, DF105, S588, S603, FGC57780, FGC23592, FT120288, BY216377 (1150 AD).
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Gormley,
Cenel Eoghain,
Clan Donald (&LSP8J),
M222
| Michael's BY216377 DNA is associated with a group called Cenel Moain (FGC57780), a subset of Cenel Eoghain (S588), a subset of Northwest Irish (M222). Northwest Irish was originally identified in a Trinity College Study and said to be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, who lived in Ireland in the 4th/5th century. See: FGC57780
Cenel Moain |
Thomas Foy
1800, Derreennascooba, Mayo, Ireland |
None. Looking for a distant Foy cousin of Peter |
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Foy,
Fay,
Hunt
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John Francis Flannery
1788, Derreenmanus, Mayo Ireland |
None. Looking for a distant Flannery cousin of Marilyn |
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Most likely R-L151, P312, L21, M222 |
Flannery
| There may be a possible tester among descendants in Green County, Wisconsin, but none has been identified yet. Clan Flannery sponsors a Flannery DNA project at Family Tree DNA. Of the Flannerys from County Mayo who had tested their Y-chromosome DNA as of June 2012, all match up with a group called Northwest Irish. Northwest Irish was originally identified in a Trinity College Study. Two of these Northwest Irish have ancestors from the townland of Sarnaught in the civil parish of Aglish, which is nearby Derreenmanus: kits 36430 and 221086.
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Patrick H. Byrne
1835, Ireland |
Roger Byrne (1962-2021), husband of daughter Carroll |
208416
Big Y-700 |
I-M223 (Isles-Scots), P222, CTS616, FGC15071, M284, L1195, L126, FGC20063, FT2393, S7753, Y4142, Y4751, FTT7, BY3610, Y63570 (1000 AD),
BY75184 (1350 AD),
BY93599 (1650 AD) |
Byrne,
M223,
Null 425 |
Roger has "Isles-Scot DNA." His DNA matches closely with a Donald Austin Byrne (1934-2017), kit 338826 (see: Y-67 Genetic Distance), whose oldest known Byrne ancestor is Austin Thomas Byrne (1859-1934), born in Dublin.
He also matches closely with three testers named McGivern, which is associated with County Down. Byrne may be a form of McGivern.
Alistair Moffat and James F. Wilson in the 2011 book, The Scots: A Genetic Journey, say that "One of the most ancient Y lineages in Scotland is known as M284." They say it developed a later subset called L126 which is more common in Scotland. It is "also seen in Ulster, not only amongst plantation families (migrants from Scotland and elsewhere, most of whom arrived in the seventeenth century) but also in those of older pedigree. This shows an ancient connection across the North Channel." |
Michael O'Brien
1815, Brough, County Cork, Ireland |
Leo O'Brien, uncle-in-law of son Edward |
197598
Big Y-700 |
R-L151, P312, L21, Z253, L226, FGC5660, Z17669, ZZ31, FGC5628, FGC5623, FGC5659, ZZ34, DC782, Y5610 (1050 AD) |
O'Brien,
L226 |
Leo shares Y5610 (1050 AD) with Conor Myles John O'Brien of Dromoland Castle who traces his ancestry back to Brian Boru. Brian Boru was born circa 940 in what is now County Clare and died in the Battle of Clontarf, north of Dublin, on April 23, 1014. See Irish Type III DNA. L226 DNA type also is called Dalcassian and Irish Type III. See DC782 Brian Boru DNA
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Hopefully, we will learn more about our deep ancestry through testing of more family members.
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